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- Tim Horton's Moving to Frozen Donuts
- Not to mention that they are responsible for the demolition of the Great Northwest Coffee Company, and there are plans to build more Timmy's all over Thunder Bay. They are actually part of the same American corporate conglomerate as Wendy's, even though everyone thinks they're a Canadian classic. In my opinion giving your money to your local Tim Horton's instead of a real local coffee shop (or instead of not going to Tim Horton's or burning down Tim Horton's) is a move against the place in which you live. Does Wall Street really need your money or does Thunder Bay? And now frozen donuts...
TIM HORTON'S SUCKS!
- damn right!
by ozzy Saturday September 20, 2003 at 05:03 PM
the prolifferation of these 'joints' encourages people to become hostages, to lose their own individuality and subordinates the potential of the community they descend upon - it is a ecipe for economic servitude and disaster. RISE UP AGAINST FUCKING DONUTS! imagine how many other useful, profitable community-centric activities or enterprises COULD be, if only someone didn't steal the opportunity for you to use your imagination and creativity. YOU ARE BEING ROBBED BY TIM HORTON'S. Every time you go in one you contribute to the destruction of your community and your own lives! EXCELLENT LETTTER, I HOPE YOU SENT IT ALREADY...
We have to put an STOP! to modular, prefabricated social engineering and organization! It's reducing us to unskilled, enslved imbeciles!
- GOTTA TELL YA
by 'BUS'ted Saturday September 20, 2003 at 05:23 PM
I TOOK A BUS TRIP TO MONTREAL, AND EVERY BUS STOP THERE WAS A 'TIMMY-HO'S.'
I WAS SO DISORIENTED BY THE END OF THE TRIP I COULDN'T REMEMBER WHICH TOWN I LEFT FROM OR EVEN WHERE THE TRIP BEGAN OR ENDED.
IT'S BLOODY HORRIFIYING!
AT THE GARE CENTRAL (TRAIN STATION) IN MONTREAL THERE ARE TWO HUGE 'FRIEZE' MURALS (BAS-RELIEF WALL SCULPTURES) --- ONE ON THE EAST WALL AND ONE ON THE WEST, OF SCENES DEPICTING THE VASTNESS OF THE COUNTRY AND THE DIVERSITY OF ITS PEOPLE, HERITAGE AND NATURAL RESOURCES, BOTH NATIVE AND EUROPEAN.
IT IS OBVIOUS FROM VIEWING THE MURALS THAT NATIVE PEOPLE AND NATURE ARE THE FOUNDATION OF THE COUNTRY, ITS CULTURE AND PROSPERITY.
WHEN I WAS THERE AS A KID, THOSE MURALS WERE POTENT REMINDERS OF THE GREATNESS AND EXPANSE OF THE LAND AND 'PSYCHOLOGICAL IMPRESSION' OF THE COUNTRY WE ALL INHABIT.
NOW, THEY STAND AS A STARK REMINDER, IN SHARP CONTRAST, TO THE ABSOLUTE SHAPELESS BLAND FICTION WE HAVE COME TO REGARD AS OUR SOCIAL ENVIRONMENT.
IF YOU EVER GET TO MONTREAL, DROP IN AND HAVE A LOOK.
PLUS, THE WHOLE SENSE OF SPACE IS DIMINISHED, AND THE ORIGINAL,
MAGNIFICENT ARTWORK, SURROUNDED NOW BY COUNTLESS BOUTIQUES AND FRANCHISE
COFFEE BARS, IS MUTED. EVEN ITS SIZE SEEMS REDUCED.
COME SEE WHAT WHAT YOU ARE MISSING!
REMEMBER IT. DON'T LET YOUR TWON BE DEVOURED BY SOMEONE ELSE'S AGENDA AND AMBITIONS.
TAKE CONTROL OF YOUR COMMUNITY, TAKE BACK YOUR COMMUNITY~
- The truth is out there!
by oscar Thursday September 25, 2003 at 08:49 AM
Great article - our office tower had a Tim Hortons open on the retail level about a month ago.
There was a delay in the restaurant opening and on asking about the delay our office adminstrator was advised by building security this was due to an equipment change - if you can believe it - from fryers to freezers!
Story was that the donuts at our shop would be one of the "new" formats where the donuts were baked in Ontario, trucked out here, and reheated.
This sounded a little on the "out there" track, but after sampling a few donuts we were wondering - the donuts all taste like day-olds.
Your article is greatly appreciated - it confirms what we heard to be true!
by Krispy Kreme Friday September 26, 2003 at 10:28 PM
Exactly why people line up for hours whenever a new Krispy Kreme opens. There, the donuts are FRESH and there's no hiding it -- you can actually see them being fried and glazed before your very eyes. Tim Hortons does this days in advance in Oakville then lets them go stale as they're trucked across the country. Garbage.
- TIM's jobs
by john-A- Monday September 29, 2003 at 04:40 PM
Tim Horton's pays $6.85/hour and you think Thunder Bay needs it's jobs? Tim's will just keep putting more coffee shops that do pay a decent wage out of business, and that doesn't help anything. Sorry Ernie, you're just not seeing the big picture here...
by john-A- Friday October 10, 2003 at 10:30 AM
Yes, Timmy Ho's is very clean, almost seems sterile really.. the bright flourecent lights, the underpaid employees who talk like robots because they are bored and tired out of their minds.. It's a different kind of clean really.
- Tim Hortons is the "New Coke"
by David Goodwin Thursday October 23, 2003 at 07:13 AM
Shame on Tim Hortons. Your corporate greed has turned you into just another corporation that has lost focus. You are no better than Coke when they brought out the "New Coke", and what a disaster that was.
They should be ashamed on two points:
1. Telling their staff to lie (I asked 3 stores and they all said they
were "baked" on the premises but when pushed one finally was honest, but
said they were told not to tell
2. They better not say "baked fresh" anymore, what a lie.
Long live Krispy Kreme!!! At least they make them fresh. Never thought I would see the day when I would go over to the dark side, but this is too much.
- Timmies everywhere
by Lt Gagetown Thursday October 23, 2003 at 09:16 AM
There are now 2 Tim Hortons on my direct route to work everyday and a third one being built. I only live 7 km from where I work. Tim Hortons are being built all over the city like weeds.
- Founder faults 'fresh' tactic Founder faults 'fresh' tactic
by twig Thursday October 23, 2003 at 09:32 PM
just came across this in one of the late izzy's rags. looks like indymedia gets the news more than a month ahead of canwest.
Founder faults 'fresh' tactic
Tim Hortons originator disappointed in chain's move to frozen goods
CanWest News Service
Thursday, October 23, 2003
The man who started the doughnut shop that spawned the Tim Hortons chain says management hasn't been 'frank and open' about production changes.
CALGARY -- Nearly 40 years ago, Ron Joyce opened a single doughnut and coffee shop in Hamilton, Ont., and watched it evolve into a Canadian icon called Tim Hortons, recognized the world over for its commitment to community, freshness and the quality of its product.
Today, the Calgary co-founder is selling off his remaining two million shares to parent company Wendy's International, is disappointed in the chain's new philosophy on what Always Fresh means, and is blasting senior management for not being "frank and open" with customers.
Joyce, who sold the company to Wendy's in 1995 for $620 million, confirmed what consumers have been saying for several months and officials at head office would not -- that the doughnuts are being fried in a factory in Brantford, Ont., then packaged, frozen and shipped to regional warehouses across the country. Once in store the already "95 per cent cooked" product is baked in an oven and served.
"I've tried them and they're certainly not the same as the other product," he said Wednesday.
In the wake of consumer backlash over Tim Hortons' new frozen doughnuts, the 72-year-old said he is saddened to hear that some consumers aren't happy and are threatening to boycott.
"Of course it bothers me. This is not a philosophy that I would have embraced if I still owned the company. However, whether or not I agree with the philosophy is irrelevant."
Joyce, who sold the company to Wendy's in 1995 for $620 million, reached a deal last year to sell his remaining block of shares back to Wendy's by January 2004, as part of estate planning.
He has been gradually selling off his holdings under the deal, said to be worth $185 million US, or about $297 million Cdn.
Until Wednesday, Patti Jameson, vice-president of corporate communications for Tim Hortons, would only say the company is conducting tests.
"I am the official spokesperson and until I confirm or deny anything it simply doesn't exist," she told CanWest News Service on Tuesday. "If someone else says something, that's up to them. We don't want to discuss this through the media."
Wednesday, after learning of Joyce's comments, Bill Moir, the executive vice-president of marketing, said the company wasn't trying to keep secrets from its customers, just from the competition.
Joyce said regardless, the customers deserve to know what's happening.
"I'm disappointed in senior management, truly disappointed," he said. "They should have come out right of the closet and said: 'We are going into a new method of producing our product and we think they're going to be better and they're going to be fresher.' "
In some ways, he regrets selling the chain, which he took control of when his business partner in the company, NHL star Tim Horton, died in a car accident in 1974.
Joyce said about 30 years ago he researched a frozen doughnut and considered buying into the idea as a means to eventually save money for the company, reduce waste and still deliver a tasty sweet.
In the end, though, his Always Fresh motto was the only message he heard.
"I thought there's one thing we can offer our consumer and that's a fresh, fresh product, so I decided not to go that way," he said, adding that he is not divesting his stock as a result of the current consumer backlash, rather as part of his estate planning.
- shades of the truth
by twig Friday October 24, 2003 at 07:41 PM
assuming that the tim hortons donut factory (or whatever it's called) in brampton runs 7 days a week, then technically the donuts are 'made fresh every day'. it's just that then they are frozen and sent all over canada. even 'day olds' were fresh once.
this is exactly the kind of twisting the truth that we've seen from tim hortons in thunder bay. when the story broke about tim hortons forcing the great northwest coffee house to be torn down, i heard a tim hortons spokesperson on the radio stating that tim hortons was not buying the great northwest property and that they had no plans to build 10 new tim hortons in thunder bay this year. again, technically the truth, but no one was claiming either of the above statements. the original accusations against tim hortons was that they had obtained a 30 year lease on the great northwest property. similarly, tim hortons' claims were made in late october or early november, so obviously they weren't going to build 10 new tim hortons 'this year'. it's these fine distinctions that are totally lost on the public who is not familiar with the finer details. i should also point out that the cbc interviewer did not challenge the timmy's apologist on the misleading, but technically truthful statements.
it seems like tim hortons' policy towards dealing with any kind of controversy is to simply deny everything (particularly things they weren't accused of in the first place) and provide misleading information to prove their 'innocence'.
it's almost comforting to see tim hortons' true colours coming out in the 'god complex' of their corporate spokesperson.
perhaps bush and his buddies should hire patti jameson--maybe the reason saddam's weapons of mass destruction haven't been found yet is just 'cause patti hasn't got around to comfirming their existence.
- Frozen dough is awful
by Brenda MacDonald Monday October 27, 2003 at 04:54 PM
I have been going to Tim Hortons' in Sydney, Nova Scotia for years now, and I noticed a change in their timbits a few months ago. They were dense, not fresh and hard. Now I know it's because they have started to use frozen ones. I haven't been able to find any satisfactory baked goods from any tim hortons since, except when I went to Port Aux Basques, Newfoundland a month ago. Their baked goods were obviously made fresh, from scratch and they were delicious, just like the old days!! I am so disappointed that Tim Hortons has sacrificed its fresh tasting Timbits for frozen, stale ones. I now only get the occasional coffeethere, but never Timbits or doughnuts. It's just too awful.
- seniors discount..NOT
by Joe Shields Monday November 03, 2003 at 07:53 PM
First Timmy Ho's reduced the size of the doughnuts and other products, then took away my seniors discount and now with their divine wisdom they took away the free stale timbit from my pet. Thanks timmy but no thanks. Its to my locally owned coffeeshop from now on.
by Davo Friday November 07, 2003 at 06:07 AM
Yes, boil it down to us and them, Americans and Canadians...finally something we can sink our teeth into (pardon the pun), xenophobia!
The fact is we're BOTH fat and neither of us want to admit it. Another fact is that Maria never even said she was American and the rest of you sheep instantly joined in on the bashing, blinded by your hatred.
Perhaps she's Argentinian. A country that has suffered greatly since our great Canadian Scotia Bank fucked off with everyone's cash during the economic collapse. Do you think they'll ever get that money back? No. Are people hungry while we feast on fried dough? Yes. And she raises a good point.
We sit on our asses when it comes to almost every important issue. We ARE fat and lazy. Neither war, poverty, famine, injustice, nor the loss of our own autonomy to multinational corporations gets us fired up. But fuck with our donuts! That's an atrocity!
Why don't you folks spend some of the amazing energy I've seen expended in this thread on something that matters. Something that will make the world better. Or has our world become so small and our will so weak that this is all we care about?
- Right is Right !
by NON-LIBERAL Saturday January 17, 2004 at 11:24 AM
Troy, Varga is right (meaning what you think) on this.
You would be providing a valuable service...ie.
1. Providing a refuge for Police Officers.
2. Providing fuel for the obese.
3. Providing competition among business.
4. Perhaps the greatest service.....Furthering...
" CAPITALISM "
- It's not just the frozen donuts
by Blair Cox Monday July 05, 2004 at 02:05 PM
The frozen donuts are a double edged sword. I'm a former proffesional
cook who recently had to take a job as a baker at a local Tim Horton's.
I have never worked in such a disgusting environement during my career.
Needles to say, the frozen donuts may acually make it safer to eat at
Tim Horton's. But I also agree that Krispee Kream needs to knock the
crap out this company. It's slave labour and a dangerous food product.
- Worshipping at the church of Tim Horton
- The idea Canadians have replaced doxology with doughnuts is less
Timmy than tinny
The other week, the Toronto Star assigned Kenneth Kidd to do a big story
on Tim Hortons as an icon of Canadian identity. This was a couple of
days before that odd incident with the fellow going into the men's room
and blowing himself into a big bunch of Timbits, so nothing tricky was
required, just the usual maple boosterism. And naturally the first thing
Kidd did was call up the Canadian media's Mister Rent-A-Quote, Michael
Adams, the author of Fire And Ice and American Backlash, and a man who
can be relied upon to provide some sociological context to the lamest
Mr. Adams evidently thought about the old doughnut-chain thing for a
nanosecond and then slotted it effortlessly into his grand universal
theory about the difference in American and Canadian "values." Canadians
are communal and gregarious, while Americans are paranoid and cowering
in terror behind the gates of their stockades. "Americans aspire to
independence," he told the Star's man. "Their model is to drive out of
town, Gary Cooper with Grace Kelly, and get on their ranch and she's in
the kitchen and having babies and he's standing at the ranch gate with a
gun, saying, 'no trespassing.' "
Really? Is that in the director's cut? No matter. This turned out to be
just the sort of thing Kenneth Kidd needed for the piece and he ran with
it: "Canadians, by contrast, are far less fearful," he decides.
"Americans now increasingly use churches as their replacement for a
sense of community lost to long working hours and lengthy commutes."
I don't know if, in the course of their research, Messrs. Kidd and Adams
ever visited any "communities" -- in, say, New England, or old England,
or Belgium, or Slovenia, or even Canada. But, if they did, they might
have noticed that you drive through the outskirts of the "community,"
past the various "dwelling units," and arrive at the centre of the
"community" -- often called a "village green" or a "town square" -- and
smack dab at the centre of the centre you'll see a big building with a
cross on it, and perhaps a sign saying "St. George's Parish Church.
Consecrated 1352." Nonetheless, undaunted, two grown men are willing to
argue in the Toronto Star that Americans have to make do with going to
church because they've lost all sense of community.
But not in Canada. "We don't go to church as much on Sundays," says
Adams. "We go shopping and we go to Tim's." Gotcha. Americans are forced
to worship Christ, whereas Canadians are free to worship crullers.
"Timbit Nation," as the Toronto Star headlined it, belongs to a thriving
genre of journalism: the feel-good story that's somehow very
demoralizing. It's less Timmy than tinny -- hollow and rather sad. I
yield to no one in my admiration for a glazed maple cream doughnut, but
I'm not sure I'd regard it as sufficient replacement for the entire
Judeo-Christian inheritance. And with the best will in the world,
standing in line at a Tim's one Sunday morning a couple of months back,
I couldn't detect any great sense of community: as slow-moving doughnut
lines go, it was not unpleasant, but nor was it an exercise in national
affirmation. As a viable thesis, that and a buck'll get you a cup of
- Commentators like Andrew Sullivan have attacked Ponnuru, somewhat
hysterically, not for his book's argument but for its title. In fact,
the author got it from Ronald Dworkin, a liberal legal theorist,
pro-abortion and pro-euthanasia, but nevertheless intellectually honest
enough to admit that these are "choices for death." They lead not just
to literal death but to a societal and spiritual death, too. In The Cube
and the Cathedral, George Weigel begins his lively dissection of
"politics without God" with a bracing series of questions, including the
"Why do certain parts of Europe exhibit a curious, even bizarre,
approach to death? Why did so many of the French prefer to continue
their summer vacations during the European heat wave of 2003, leaving
their parents unburied and warehoused in refrigerated lockers (which
were soon overflowing)? Why is death increasingly anonymous in Germany,
with no death notice in the newspapers, no church funeral ceremony, no
secular memorial service -- 'as though,' Richard John Neuhaus observed,
'the deceased did not exist'?"
You really need a Euro-Michael Adams to answer those questions -- to
point out that Americans' collapsing communities are driving them to
flock to grim rain-swept cemeteries and huddle round burial plots of
friends and family in the forlorn hope of recovering the lost sense of
society obliterated by their paranoid Second Amendment fearfulness,
while the Frenchman by contrast affirms his belief both in personal
interconnectedness and collective responsibility by spending the weekend
with his wife's sister at a nude beach on the Côte d'Azur, secure in the
knowledge that his dead mother on ice in the meat locker back in town is
the state's problem, not his.
I seem to have wandered a long way from the Timbit Nation, but not
really: as the pieties of late 20th-century progressivism crumble like a
stale cruller, their defenders take refuge in self-deception, trumpeting
defects as virtues, to the point where a man cradling his coffee alone
in a doughnut shop on a Sunday morning is a stronger affirmation of
community than a packed church. Oh well. If there's an emptiness at the
heart of the advanced social-democratic state, at least Canada's
worshipping the doughnut; Europe's worshipping the hole.